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Modern science has completely
debunked the concepts of a
"young" earth and a young
universe. To the utter
dismay of many Christians, the
evidences for an extremely OLD
earth and an even older universe
are absolutely overwhelming.
Those who continue teaching
Young-Earth Creationism (YEC),
as if it were absolute truth,
are setting people up for great
disillusionment, when they
eventually discover that
multiple fields of science
completely destroy the notions
of a young earth and a young
universe.
Increasing numbers of formerly
committed Christians are walking
away from the faith after
discovering that what they
always believed was ABSOLUTE
TRUTH has been proven completely
FALSE.
This website was created by a
lifetime Young-Earth Creationist
(non-scientist) who came in
contact with indisputable
evidence for an OLD earth and an
older universe, and who almost
became one of these "walk-away"
statistics.
Modern DNA research, among other
evidence, is presenting enormous
challenges for the traditional
understanding of Creationism and
for the literal understanding of
Scripture, especially the
literal understanding of Genesis
chapters 1-11 (Creation through
the Flood).
There are NO EASY ANSWERS!
There is no intellectually
honest way to read Genesis 1-11
as literal and easily reconcile
it with modern science.
There are huge questions that
still need to be answered, and
research continues — often with
mixed results and confusing
conclusions.
Whether you like it or not,
here are your basic options:
1.)
Take a literal perspective
of Genesis 1-11, and defend the
Young-Earth Creationist
perspective by using excuses,
half-truths, and distorted
science. Ignore and/or
dispute everything that
disagrees with your view.
2.)
Take a literal perspective
of Genesis 1-11, and defend the
Young-Earth Creationist
perspective based NOT on a
distortion of modern science,
but rather by FAITH that the
view may one day be vindicated
by science in the future.
Choose not to argue against
modern scientific findings,
which prove conclusively (to the
degree anything can be proven)
that the earth and the universe
are in fact billions of years
old. ...At least this
"philosophical" approach is
intellectually honest, in that
it is non-scientific, so
it cannot be seen as deceitful
—
which is how the rest of the
world views most Young-Earth
Creationists. This view
does not debate modern science.
It merely appeals to the
supremacy of a traditional (YEC)
understanding of Scripture,
without involving science at
all.
3.)
Take a literal or
semi-literal perspective of
Genesis 1-11, realizing the TRUE
understanding (that is, God's
intended meaning) may be deeper
than the most obvious reading of
the text. Recognize there
may be huge gaps in the biblical
genealogies, perhaps greatly
extending the period between the
time of Adam and present day.
Seek to reconcile the
biblical text with an
intellectually honest study of
modern science, knowing that it
may take longer than your
lifetime to do so, as research
continues; and knowing that
along the way, there will be
many findings which even the
most objective scientists will
interpret as evidence against
biblical Creation.
Determine to hold on to your
FAITH
— in Jesus Christ
as Lord and Savior, and in the
Bible as the authoritative Word
of God —
despite the intellectual
struggle that may continue for
the rest of your life.
This path could
ultimately lead toward an
Old-Earth Creationist view, where the "days" of Creation
are understood to have been very
long periods of time; or it
could lead toward a view known
as Theistic Evolution, whereby
the natural process of evolution
is understood to have been
started (and possibly guided)
by God — with perhaps some
direct, miraculous intervention
and/or "special Creation" by God
during the process.
Any
perspective of Creation or
evolution which involves God
makes the assumption that there
is a God. Obviously,
secular evolutionists do not
make this assumption and do not
believe God was "required" for
evolution to occur. Some theistic
evolutionists believe the
"seeds" of evolution were
present in the Big Bang, and
that God allowed the process to
continue from there, essentially
left alone. Other theistic
evolutionists believe (in
varying degrees) that God was
involved throughout the
entire (supposed) evolutionary process.
A number of theistic
evolutionists actually interpret
the Creation processes described
in Genesis as being
"evolutionary" in nature, rather
than "sudden creation," as the Creation
process is traditionally
understood to have happened.
4.)
Take
a non-literal perspective
of Genesis 1-11, and consider
the stories recorded in that
portion of Scripture
— from Creation
to the Flood —
to be "biblical
myths" or allegory, rather than
a literal, historical record.
Accept science for whatever it
appears to be communicating at
the time, whether that leans
more toward Theistic Evolution
(by virtue of the fact that, as
a Christian, you assume God was
somehow involved), Old-Earth
Creationism, or some other
theory of origins.
5.)
Consider
the mounting evidences for
evolution to be the death knell
of Christianity. Walk
away from the faith and free
your mind from the constraints
of biblical thinking.
If you're
aware of another option, please
let us know, so it can be added
here.
If you're still a
Young-Earther, PLEASE keep
reading. The good part's
coming...
Many committed Christians hold
views 1, 3, and 4. Finding
anyone who holds view 2
—
Young-Earth Creationism from a
purely philosophical standpoint,
without any twisting of science
—
is a tall order. A
large segment of Christians hold
view 1, without even realizing
they're defending Young-Earth
Creationism with bad science,
because they were indoctrinated
into believing it from
childhood, and they've
defended it for as long as they
can remember.
A growing number of Christians
adhere to view 4. They
take a non-literal perspective
of Genesis 1-11. This
requires a person to reinterpret
a narrative that appears to be a
literal, historical,
biographical record, and turn it
into something more symbolic or
allegorical. This is not
easy to do, but many
of today's Christians feel
somewhat forced into this
position
— because a literal or
semi-literal reading of the text
is essentially NOT reconcilable
with modern science, at least
not at the present moment.
If a person can say that
Genesis 1-11 is
not meant to be read literally or historically,
then he or she can follow science
wherever it leads and completely
ignore what would otherwise be
perceived as a diametrically
opposing view in the Genesis
record. Some consider this
view intellectually dishonest
because there are many
indications in the text,
including genealogies, which
point to an intended meaning
that is literal and historical.
These individuals reject a
non-literal (allegorical)
interpretation, leaving only one
other possibility for a person
who intends to "keep the faith."
The final alternative — view 3
— can be summed up as
essentially committing to
potentially-life-long
cognitive dissonance. That
is, holding two seemingly
opposing beliefs at the same
time. When you commit to a
literal or at least semi-literal
interpretation of Genesis 1-11,
and you also commit to absolute
intellectual honesty in your
study of science, then you can
expect to spend as long as the
rest of your life struggling
between the two. This will
inevitably involve periods of
confusion, serious questions and
even doubts about the Christian
faith and the Word upon which
our faith is based.
Among those who seek to honestly
contend with modern science, while
interpreting Genesis chapters
1-11 as being literal or
semi-literal, some have made the
decision to go one way or the
other — toward Theistic
Evolution or Old-Earth
Creationism. Others are
still carefully considering the
evidence and withholding
judgment until the case for
either view becomes more clear
and compelling.
Among Old-Earth Creationists (OECs),
the vast majority adhere, albeit
loosely, to the teachings of
Hugh Ross and the ministry of
Reasons to
Believe
(RTB). While neither this
site nor this author is in any
way affiliated with Reasons to
Believe, the RTB Creation Model,
as it has come to be known, will
be dealt with at length, because it is most
representative of Old-Earth
Creationists around the world.
The RTB Creation Model, as
outlined in the 2006 book,
Creation Science: A Testable
Model to End the
Creation/Evolution Wars,
presents a theory of Creation
that differs significantly from
evolution (or Theistic
Evolution, which is basically
the same, from a scientific
perspective).
On the pages linked below, we'll look at
the similarities and differences
between the two primary choices
available for Christians who
seek the truth and have not yet
concluded which view they
believe to be most convincing: Theistic Evolution or Old-Earth
Creationism.
Incidentally,
both of these views also
generally fall under the
category of Intelligent Design
(ID), which is the belief that no
matter how the universe and life
came into being, all signs point
to a designer. (Though
many theistic evolutionists do
not agree with all the
presuppositions of the
Intelligent Design Movement.) It should be
said from the start that the
intent of this site is NOT to
convince you which view is
correct, especially since this
author himself is not convinced
one way or the other.
My apologies for not introducing
myself before now. My name is
Mark Bradford. I am not a
scientist, and I hold no degrees
of any kind. My background
is in real estate, and I now
operate a web-related business.
I'm in my mid-thirties, married
with three sons. I grew up
in very conservative
Christian home, and was educated
from grammar school through
graduation using A Beka Book
curriculum (enrolled in A Beka
Video School [now A Beka
Academy] from 7th through 12th
grade). A Beka is a
division of Pensacola Christian
College, one of the most
conservative Christian
institutions in America (akin to
Bob Jones), where the King James
Bible and Young-Earth
Creationism provide the
foundation for learning.
Until just
a year or two ago, I was a
die-hard YEC, and like
other good YECs, I used every
piece of pseudoscience available
to defend the view. Then
one day I was confronted head on
with the fact that the stars we
see in the night sky are not
seen in "real time."
What
we see in the night sky is
actually starlight that had to
travel light years to
reach earth.
The majority of stars in
existence are 1-10 billion years
old. Most stars viewable
with the naked eye are in our
own Milky Way Galaxy, and are
2,500 - 5,000 light years away,
meaning their light had to
travel for 2,500 - 5,000 years
to reach us.
But that's only the
beginning...
The
farthest
object
viewable
with the
naked
eye
is the
Andromeda
Galaxy
(M31),
which
can be
seen
from
earth on
exceptionally
dark,
clear
nights
without
the aid
of a
telescope.
It is
2.5
million
light
years
away.
So
the
light
from
Andromeda
had to
travel
2.5
million
years to
be
visible
from
earth.
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Below is
a
picture
of an
exploding
SUPERNOVA
(dubbed
1987A).
It was
taken in
1987 by
the
Hubble
Space
Telescope.
A
SUPERNOVA
is a
dying
star
that
explodes
brightly
— as
bright
as 100
million
suns —
for a
period
of
months,
before
beginning
to fade
away
forever.
This
supernova
actually
exploded
170,000
years
ago.
The
light
from the
SUPERNOVA
explosion
didn't
reach
earth
until
1987,
when it
was
visible
with the
naked
eye.
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|
This
is
another
exploding
SUPERNOVA
(dubbed
1997ff).
The
images
below
were
taken
between
1995 and
1997 by
the
Hubble
Space
Telescope.
A
SUPERNOVA
is a
dying
star
that
explodes
brightly
— as
bright
as 100
million
suns —
for a
period
of
months,
before
beginning
to fade
away
forever.
This
supernova
actually
exploded
10
billion
years
ago.
The
light
from
this
explosion
took 10
billion
years to
reach
earth.
More
info
here. |

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The
images
below —
of
QUASARS
— were
also
taken
with the
Hubble
Space
Telescope.
They are
1.4 —
2.2
billion
light
years
from
earth,
meaning
it took
over a
billion
years
for
their
light to
reach
us. |

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"When
seen
through
ground-based
telescopes,
these
compact,
enigmatic
light
sources
resemble
stars,
yet they
are
billions
of
light-years
away and
several
hundred
billion
times
brighter
than
normal
stars.
Astronomers
believe
that a
quasar
turns on
when a
massive
black
hole at
the
nucleus
of a
galaxy
feeds on
gas and
stars.
As the
matter
falls
into the
black
hole,
intense
radiation
is
emitted.
Eventually,
the
black
hole
will
stop
emitting
radiation
once it
consumes
all
nearby
matter.
Then it
needs
debris
from a
collision
of
galaxies
or
another
process
to
provide
more
fuel."
—
HubbleSite.org |
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The oldest Young-Earth
Creationist (YEC) argument is that
God created the world with
the appearance of age,
and
therefore He could have
placed the stars in the sky
approximately six thousand years
ago, and made it "seem
like" it took millions or
billions of years for the light
to reach us. Some YECs
believe the speed of light
was once much faster, and
that it has slowed down to
its current speed.
These arguments sound somewhat
valid on the surface — from a
FAITH perspective at least.
But once you get below the
surface and consider all the
ramifications of such arguments,
it becomes almost impossible NOT
to see them as
complete nonsense. There's
just no other honest conclusion,
no matter how you look at it.
Young-Earth Creationists
keep coming up with new
hypotheses, and down the
chain of YECs, everyone
refers back to some "new
explanation." But
ultimately, none of their
theories hold water.
When pressed, they always
revert back to the same
argument — that they will
hold to what they believe
the Bible teaches, NO MATTER
WHAT science concludes.
The nonsense arguments are
really designed to make
themselves feel better about
denying reality, because
they believe their FAITH
forces them to do so.
I know because I was a
Young-earth Creationist —
and defended the view
wholeheartedly all my life.
I had never once objectively
studied science for what it
was really saying. I
kept my eyes and ears
closed, so I couldn't "be
deceived." When I
finally opened them, it
nearly destroyed my faith.
When you discover that
multiple fields of science,
from geology to
astrophysics, conclusively
disprove Young-Earth
Creationism, you realize it
must be a lie, whether you
like it or not.
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IS LIGHT
SLOWING DOWN?
"If the
earth is only
about 10,000
years old (Young
Earth view),
then how is it
we see stars
five billion
light years
away? [A
light year is a
measure of
distance,
indicating the
DISTANCE light
travels in one
year.] It
would imply at
least a
five-billion
year-old
universe.
Some people have
proposed that
the speed of
light has been
slowing down.
Most physicists
would scoff at
the idea that
light is slowing
down. Many
vital
relationships
depend on a
constant speed
of light.
The most
familiar is E=mc2.
If light were
twice as fast in
the time of
Abraham, the sun
would incinerate
life."
— Ralph O.
Muncaster,
author, Christian
apologist, and
university
professor;
excerpt from
Examine the
Evidence:
Creation vs.
Evolution
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WHEN DID IT
ALL BEGIN?
"...Of course,
there are many
creationists who
argue for an old
earth [Old-Earth
Creationists].
Biblically, this
is the position
that the word
day is used
for more than
twenty-four
hours.
Even in Genesis
2:4, the events
of the sixth day
surely took more
than twenty-four
hours, and
Hebrews 4:4-5
implies that God
is still in His
seventh-day
rest. If
the seventh day
can be long,
then the others
could too.
Scientifically,
this view does
not require any
novel theories
to explain the
evidence.
One of the
biggest problems
for the young
earth view is in
astronomy.
We can see light
from stars that
took 15 billion
years to get
here.
[Current
indications are
that the Big
Bang took place
approximately
13.7 billion
ago, but the
number varies to
approx. 15
billion.
Most stars in
existence are
1-10 billion
years old,
though some are
over 13 billion
years old.]
To say that God
created them
with the
appearance of
age does not
satisfy the
question of how
their light
reached us.
We have watched
star explosions
that happened
billions of
years ago, but
if the universe
is not billions
of years old,
then we are
seeing light
from stars that
never existed —
because they
would have died
before Creation.
Why would God
deceive us with
the evidence?
The old earth
view seems to
fit the evidence
better and
causes no
problem with the
Bible."
— Dr. Norman
Geisler, author, Christian
apologist, and
university
professor;
excerpt from When Skeptics
Ask
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STARLIGHT & THE
AGE OF THE
UNIVERSE
"...A
young-universe
creationist is
in a very
difficult spot.
If he holds that
God created the
light in
transit, he also
has to hold that
we have no way
of knowing that
anything further
than 10,000
light years away
actually exists.
We can't see it.
We're not seeing
it; we're seeing
an image that
God created in
transit. The
light from it
won't reach us
for a billion
years.
You see, the
argument from
young-earthers
regarding star
light is that
God not only
created the
galaxies in deep
space, but He
also created all
the light
between that
star and earth.
This is why we
can see them now
even though the
universe is
young.
My question is,
how do you know
the stars are
really there?
You don't see
the light of
anything that
existed. You're
seeing an image
created in
transit of an
event — watch
this — that
never took
place.
If all we're
seeing is an
image that God
created in
transit, then
the only way
we're going to
see the actual
thing that
exists is if we
wait around
another billion
years for the
light of the
actual star to
reach us. Who of
us believes the
Lord will tarry
that long? Not a
billion years.
Which means
we'll never see
it, will we?
We'll never see
what God
actually
created, not the
thing itself..."
"...Let me give
you an
illustration.
Astronomers
looking through
their telescopes
see a supernova
explosion a
billion light
years away.
(Supernova is
when a star
explodes and
sends its
material spewing
out into space.)
What exist now,
at this moment,
are the random
bits of the old
star which,
allegedly, is
the condition
God actually
created six to
ten thousand
years ago.
What this means
is that the star
the astronomers
saw explode
never existed.
The supernova
never happened.
This seems to
suggest that God
created the
illusion of the
universe and not
the universe
itself, because
that which
allegedly
exists, we will
never see. That
which allegedly
exists, we'll
never see, and
that which we
actually see
never existed.
If that's the
case, then I
think it's fair
to ask ourselves
what else we
think exists,
but doesn't? How
much more of the
world is just an
illusion created
by God? How do
we know what is
real and what is
not?..."
Continue
— Greg Koukl,
author, Christian
apologist, and
President of
Stand to Reason;
excerpt from
article:
Starlight & the
Age of the
Universe
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ASTROPHYSICIST
DEBUNKS
YOUNG-EARTH
CREATIONIST
CLAIMS REGARDING
THE SPEED OF
LIGHT
Tom (W.T.)
Bridgman, Ph.D.,
a Christian
astrophysicist
has created a
(personal) site
dedicated to
debunking YEC
claims regarding
the speed of
light and its
relationship to
the age of the
universe.
His site also
includes links
to prominent YEC
'speed of light'
argument sites.
Dr. Bridgman's
articles deal
with an
attempt by
creationist
Barry
Setterfield to
solve the
problem of
seeing galaxies
billions of
light years away
(in what
young-earth
creationists
believe to be a
6,000 year-old
universe), which
states that the
speed of light
was much faster
in the
not-too-distant
past.
'Issues on Barry
Setterfield's
Claims of a
Recently
Decaying Speed
of Light, 2nd
Edition' (DRAFT)
by W.T.
Bridgman, Ph.D.
An analysis of
the implications
of a rapidly
changing speed
of light.
Online here
"Creationists
advocating that
the speed of
light has
changed rapidly
in recent
history seem to
avoid dealing
with these
problems — even
though it takes
no more than
basic calculus
to demonstrate
it."
— Tom (W.T.)
Bridgman,
Ph.D.,
Astrophysicist
Scientific arguments online
here
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This realization — the truth
about starlight — drove me to
dig deeper. I went from
hard-core Young-Earth
Creationist (YEC) to Old-Earth
Creationist (OEC), and then
to where I am today, torn
between Old-Earth / Day-Age
Creationism (OEC) and Theistic
Evolutionist (TE).
In fact, I setup this website
CreationCrisis.com
and the associated site
OriginScience.com
as much as an exercise to help
me get my own thoughts in order and
find some sense of
"clarity in the midst of
confusion," as it was to help
others going through the same
struggle. And the
overarching purpose is to send
a message to the Church at large
that unless we collectively take
our heads out of the sand and
stop pretending that we don't
have a SERIOUS problem, we'll
lose more disillusioned
Christians to atheism (and many
more to a stagnant faith), while preparing a
whole new crop of young people
for the same experience
—
thus
perpetuating the problem.
...We'll continue appearing to be "liars
for Jesus" spouting fake
arguments in defense of a bogus
theory, and we'll neglect to devote
the manpower and resources
necessary to expand research
and accelerate the gathering of
honest answers and evidence
needed to bring science and the
Bible into reconciliation — if
that is at all possible this
side of eternity. Not to
mention that by failing to
confront the issue and/or
continuing to teach "bad
science," we also alienate many
individuals who might otherwise
consider placing their faith in
Christ.
So... Keep the
faith and follow the science!
The two must not be mutually
exclusive!
God certainly doesn't expect us
to DENY the applicability of
universal natural laws,
observable in the world today —
as Young-Earth Creationists
believe they must do, in order
to defend the strictest
interpretation of Genesis.
Nor does God expect us to treat
His Word as a science book,
preventing us from acknowledging
clear science and investigating
all aspects of our wonderful
universe. If God is God,
He can most definitely handle
our exploration and discovery of
His world!
Just a thought...
But I find it very relieving (in
the face of atheists like
Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris
screaming for the extinction of
religion) to think that God
already warned us what would
happen!
Jesus even uttered these
somewhat chilling words:
"When the Son of man comes,
will he find faith on the
earth?"
Biblical prophecies of the
'end-times' include:
- an increase in knowledge
- an increase in scoffers
against Christianity
- an increase in false teachers
- an increase in ungodliness and
wickedness
- a Great Falling Away
(apostasy)
- a new world order ushering in
the reign of the anti-Christ
- such deception that even the
very elect would be deceived, if
that were possible
If the existence of God and/or
His divine Creation of the
universe (through whatever
means) could be PROVEN, then the
prophesied end-time events would
most likely NEVER take place —
because there would probably
never be such a great loss of
faith, as there would have to be
for "the whole world" to be
deceived, which the Bible
teaches will eventually happen.
So, I have to remind myself that
if God is God, He KNEW all along
that — with an increase in
knowledge and scientific
advances — the world would
eventually come to BELIEVE that
the record of Scripture could
not possibly be true, in light
of what the evidence seems to be
indicating. (This doesn't
mean we deny the evidence, but
we certainly must not deny God
in the process!)
God allowed the entire Jewish
nation — His chosen people — to
be deceived when Christ arrived
on earth, in order to fulfill
His plans and make salvation
available to the entire human
race. If the record of
Scripture is true, God has
allowed outright CONFUSION to
reign among His people numerous
times, often apparently as a
test of their faith.
Can I defend God's actions?
No, I can't. God is God,
and I don't understand most of
what He chooses to do. I
wish He made everything
abundantly clear! But He
seems to operate often in the
realm of mystery, and He clearly
seems to test the faith of His
followers on a regular basis.
So
we might as well get used to it!
PREPARE YOURSELF FOR A SHOCK
— actually a few of them.
Or, you can just skip this very
controversial section
altogether, and jump to the
science research info below
(Origin Views Comparison Chart,
research links, etc.).
A little about where I'm
coming from...
You're probably familiar with
the old saying about coming to
peace with reality by accepting
the absolute worst case scenario
— and then reality doesn't
seem so bad...
Well, that's what I did to find
peace in the struggle between
faith and facts. After living in
fear of losing my
faith for some time, and
peering into the abyss of
atheism (as it appeared to me to
be), I decided I would prefer to
be a potentially
self-deluded Christian than to
become an atheist. Once I
came to this realization, I no
longer cared (at least not
nearly as much) about the
possibility that Christianity
just might not be true.
We all want certainty. We
want to KNOW beyond the shadow
of a doubt that the Bible is the
Word of God, and that
Christianity is the TRUTH.
But as atheist voices get louder
and louder, and as they ardently
strive to prove the Bible is
fallible (or that it is
completely wrong when it
comes to origins); we can either
tune them out, or listen in
fear. Or we can decide
that it just doesn't matter.
I chose that third option.
I realized I didn't want
to walk away from Jesus.
He's been my best friend all my
life. He's the one I talk
to about everything. And
when I realized I would lose
Jesus if I walked away from my
faith — not to mention the hope
of eternal life — I realized
I just didn't want to!
I realized that God's 'rules'
are designed as much for our
protection as for His glory, and
that atheism could potentially
lead to a life of hedonism
(living for sinful pleasures),
since the protective boundaries
of His Word would no longer
govern my life. Since this could
potentially destroy my life, as
well as the lives of my wife and
children, why would I
want it?! Of course,
there are some 'moral' atheists.
But personally, I know I NEED
God, especially since my basic
morality is derived from the
principles and precepts of His
Word. If the absolute
worst-case scenario proved true,
and in the end, there was no
God, I still believe I and my family
would be better in
just about every way — for
having followed Christ.
Once you get to that point, the
attacks on your faith won't have
nearly the impact they once did.
At least, that was my
experience. This
perspective is a bit strange.
Christians and non-Christians
alike may find it easy to
criticize. I understand
that. Not everyone will
see this view as rational.
But I'm trying to be completely
honest about where I've ended up
in this struggle. And
yet there are still other issues
involved...
CHRISTIANITY — AND THE ISSUE
OF HELL
Atheists would note that — among
the other 'seemingly-unpleasant'
attributes of God (as He is
revealed in the Old Testament
especially) — that we 'do harm
to society' by promoting a
'religion of fear,' with our
message that the entire world of
non-believers is going to burn
in Hell for all eternity,
especially when we can't PROVE
that God even exists. I
used to preach that message on a
regular basis. But then I
came to realize, through various
ministries, that there are about
as many Scriptures describing
Hell as being a place of
everlasting punishment, as there
are describing Hell as being a
place of ETERNAL DESTRUCTION.
Now I have peace in believing
that God is a fair Judge.
And my personal conviction is
that the unsaved will not be
tormented eternally. I
believe they will receive due
punishment for their sins in
Hell — after the Great White
Throne Judgment — and that they
will then be destroyed ETERNALLY
in the Lake of Fire.
This teaching is called
'conditional immortality' or
annihilationism. Most
evangelicals believe that ALL
SOULS ARE ETERNAL. I no
longer believe this is the case.
I did for most of my life, and
it was a tough decision to
change perspectives. But I
decided to go with what I now
believe to be true. I
believe this view is much more
in line with the nature of God,
although there is still great
resistance to it in the Church.
My point is NOT to change your
mind about whether or not God
intends to torture or burn
people eternally. My point
is to explain that when this
aspect of God's nature — which
atheists find abhorrent — is
removed from the message we
preach, then Christianity no
longer seems like a religion
based on the FEAR of everlasting
torment. That's pretty
important...
Here's a link to a PDF document
discussing this view of Hell.
I found it quite helpful myself.
CHRISTIANITY — AND THE
STRUGGLING CHRISTIAN
So I see God differently now...
I see the Bible as an inspired,
authoritative book, and the
supreme authority for my life.
But I don't worry about
defending the inerrancy of
Scripture, because if I want to
look at lists of supposed
contradictions and other
problematic issues, I can find
them — and suddenly be filled
with fear and doubt. Or I
can accept that while God
inspired His Word, He didn't
remove 'fallible humanity' from
the biblical writers. We
can blame every perceived
problem in Scripture on
'transcription errors,' but that
can only go so far.
God didn't drop a perfect book
from the sky. If you study
the history and canonicity of
the Bible (how all 66 books
became what we now call the
Bible), it's a pretty scary
story. Even the great
Martin Luther said he thought
James, Revelation, and a few
other books probably didn't even
belong in Scripture, believe it
or not! And we walk
around pretending we just
watched God himself write every
word and hand the book to us
personally. In reality,
it's not quite that simple.
No matter what, the message of
God's redeeming love is clearly
revealed in His Word. The
message of salvation, the
forgiveness of sins and the
promise of eternal life, through
His Son Jesus Christ — is clear.
The guidelines we are to live by
are fairly clear, although many
passages can be interpreted a
dozen different ways. So
we don't exactly have PERFECT
answers for every question we
face in our lives. We must
struggle through many, many
issues, while maintaining our
faith in the God of the Bible.
Christianity is often presented
as a nice, neat, perfect little
package that we open up and live
out for the rest of our lives —
like a fairy tale. But in
reality, Christianity can be
pretty messy. The Bible
came together in a messy way.
Many passages don't seem to
blend well with other passages,
and we're left HOPING we can
figure out what God actually
meant, while other groups of
Christians come to entirely
different conclusions.
We can PRETEND everything makes
perfect sense — that we have the
answers for every question, and
that we can reconcile every
verse in the bible with the rest
of them. But personally,
I'm tired of pretending. I
'pretended' for a good part of
my life. But when I began
trying to evangelize and
interact with atheists about
issues related to Christianity,
I realized I was lying to
myself, and simply putting on a
front.
Atheists can't stand
dishonesty. They absolutely
despise us for that more than
anything else. Believe me,
it's true. And you might
ask, "Why on earth would we care
what atheists think?"
Well, to a lesser degree, this
observation is true for all
non-Christians. They're
sick of Christian hypocrisy and
pretense. But if we're
transparently honest, instead of
putting up a front, they see us
for who we are, and they can at
least respectfully disagree with
us; instead of being revoltingly
disgusted with our attitude of
self-righteousness, and the
pretense of 'having it all
figured out,' when they know in
reality, our deepest hearts
would tell an entirely different
story.
We're taught in most Christian
churches to basically 'hold the
line' on everything we believe,
to keep up the facade of a
'perfect religion,' as it were.
God may be perfect. I
believe He is, even though many
of His actions recorded in
Scripture completely bewilder
me. But the Bible and the
Christianity we live out is NOT
a perfect, neat little package
that always makes perfect sense.
It would be nice if this were
the case, but it isn't.
Once we realize we'll have to
struggle through this life,
trying to make sense of things
that sometimes don't make sense,
I think we have a much better
chance of finding true peace.
When we stop having to CONVINCE
OURSELVES that the Bible is 100%
inerrant and infallible, then we
can stop worrying about the next
list of 'Bible contradictions
and errors' that might come
across our path. Because
if you think you can overcome
every possible argument against
the inerrancy of Scripture,
you'll probably end up having to
LIE to do it. I just got
tired of pretending (and
actually lying to myself and
others) to make my faith PERFECT
enough to meet impossible
standards.
God could have dropped a perfect
book from Heaven. He
didn't. He let us argue
and fight for centuries even to
figure out which books should
make up the Bible. And
there are still passages — like
a chunk in Mark 16 — that we
conclude 'probably' never should
have been included...
Like I said, it's messy.
When I removed the standard of
'absolute perfection' from the
Bible and my Christian faith, I
found I could honestly live with
it, not having to worry about
the next attack on my faith,
which was probably just around
the corner. If you
need a PERFECT faith, you may
want to spend the rest of your
life in a cave somewhere — just
you and Jesus and your Bible.
Otherwise, you could end up
walking away (as many people
have) after one too many attacks
on your faith.
As I said, I still believe the
Bible is authoritative and
inspired by God. The Bible
is my supreme authority, because
I believe it is God's Word.
I believe Jesus is Lord.
By faith, I trust Him for
eternal life. I seek to
obey Him. I believe
fornication, adultery, and
homosexual behavior are all sins
in the eyes of God. I
believe God hates divorce.
I believe idolatry, murder,
lying, stealing, cheating,
coveting, and other ungodly
behaviors described in the Bible
are all sinful.
I believe the first eleven
chapters of Genesis may or may
not be literal. The book
may have been compiled as a
collection of stories, written
in such a way that the average
Hebrew would understand, rather
than as a science text
explaining the exact formation
of the universe and all living
things — stories that may have
been passed down for centuries,
before being transcribed by
Moses. I simply don't
know. But I trust that
God can handle my not knowing.
I trust in Him by faith. I
follow His Word, and I struggle
through life — wishing I could
'rise above' like the Joel
Osteens of this world, but
ultimately believing that isn't
at all what God actually
promised in His Word.
I guess I can't say it strongly
enough: I see the Christian life
as an ongoing struggle. I
see the Bible as a book I can
trust, when I take the Old
Testament in the context it is
meant to be taken, and when I
see the New Testament as my
primary guidebook on Christian
living under the New Covenant —
and when I stop expecting
perfection regarding my ability
to overcome all biblical
criticism, and to reconcile
every passage with every other
passage, and every passage with
modern science, etc.
Between 3,500 and nearly 2,000
years ago, God used fallible men
to create a book — made up of 66
books — in order to convey His
message to mankind. I must
accept that for what it is, and
for what is is not.
[
4/30/08 Update:
Since much of what I wrote above
sounds like a (perhaps
unwarranted) attack on the
reliability of Scripture — which
can be especially offensive to
fundamentalist Christians — I
wanted to include some research
links related to this very
controversial issue. Bart
Ehrman was a faithful Christian
man who graduated from Moody
Bible Institute years ago (where
I spent a little over a semester
myself). After discovering
'Scriptural reliability' issues
he was unaware of until his
studies at Moody, Bart
painstakingly researched the
ancient biblical texts and made
some startling discoveries that
eventually led him to abandon
the faith. I recently
became aware of Dr. Ehrman and
his research through a
newsletter I receive. What
he has uncovered about the
original texts of Scripture is
extremely discouraging to say
the least, and could potentially
destroy anyone's faith. My
own faith was once again rocked
as I read about his findings.
But since I don't want to
abandon the faith, I try to keep
my eyes open to reality, while
keeping my heart open to God.
Here are the
Biblical
Reliability Research Links
I've gathered. If you
choose to read this information,
please proceed with caution and
prayer! Eternity is a
very long time to be wrong —
that's what I keep reminding
myself! Still
hoping to die with my faith
intact! ]
I wake
up each morning hoping to live
out my Christian faith in
reliance upon my Father, hoping
and praying that He will
continue to build my faith and
increase my understanding of His
Word (and the world around me).
I desire to be in the center of
His will, and I want my life to
count for eternity. I want
to help bring people into a
right relationship with Him
through His Son Jesus Christ.
But I can't do any of that if
I'm spending all my time
stressed out about whether or
not I can prove the Bible is
inerrant, or whether or I not I
can prove the existence of God,
or whether or not I can answer
all the atheists' objections, or
whether or not I can make
Christianity seem perfect enough
that I absolutely KNOW beyond
the shadow of a doubt that it's
true. I have to accept
it by faith, and I have to
struggle through this life,
trusting that God will keep me
in Him, even though a lot
of things simply will NEVER make
complete sense to me — at least
not this side of Heaven.
And in the end, if it turns out
I'm dead wrong about everything
I've believed, I think I'd still
be glad I continued trusting in
Christ and following God's Word,
even in the midst of doubt.
So I accept the 'worst-case
scenario' that I could be a
potentially self-deluded
Christian living in a world
where there is no God. I
don't like the sound of that,
but when I can take that for
what it is and continue
believing, then I have
peace! I struggle on,
trying my best to keep my eyes
on Jesus and live out the faith
He has called me to live.
...I hope you will as well.
And if you're blessed with an
abundance of faith, that makes
this all sound like a sad,
miserable experience, compared
to the Christian life you enjoy,
than all I can say is
"Hallelujah!" I hope and
pray your faith remains
unshakable!
I thought my faith was
unshakable for many years.
Then I looked at science and
almost lost my faith in one fell
blow. If you ever go
through a similar experience,
take a step back, and ask
yourself if you'd really be
better off without God. If
not, then pray through it and
seek out others to help you
through it.
Accept that you will never have
all the answers, and you'll
never be able to make sense of
everything related to God, the
Bible, Christianity, or the
origin of the universe and
mankind. God's Word is
filled with prophecies that have
been fulfilled, exactly as He
predicted — which is a
faith-building realization in
itself. And if the most
predominant understanding of
end-time prophecies is correct,
this world is only going to get
darker, and living the Christian
life — and keeping our faith
intact — is only going to get
harder, not easier.
So buckle up, and if you think
it makes sense, accept the
absolute worst-case scenario for
your faith, and then rest in
God, and take it one day at a
time!
By faith, we press on, believing
that one day we'll all be
rejoicing on the other side, in
the not too distant future, when
He'll reveal the mysteries of
the universe that seemed so
troubling in this life, and
we'll understand how all the
puzzle pieces fit together!
God be with you!
To continue researching...
Read an
OVERVIEW
of the issues involved — in
determining one's view of
origins — on the home page of
OriginScience.com.
Also, take a look at the
ORIGIN
VIEWS COMPARISON CHART,
which compares Young-Earth
Creationism (YEC), Old-Earth
Creationism (OEC), Theistic
Evolution (TE), and Naturalistic
Evolution (NE). The
chart
demonstrates just how ridiculous
Young-Earth Creationism really
is, and explains the basic
premises and problems with each
of the remaining views.
For a more
scientifically-advanced analysis
of the issues, you can view the
Reasons to Believe
CREATION/EVOLUTION MODEL
'TESTABLE PREDICTIONS' COMPARISON
CHART
(PDF), taken from the
old-earth creationist book, Creation as Science,
by Hugh Ross.
This chart presents each of the four views above as
TESTABLE MODELS, and contrasts the four views, based on detailed scientific 'predictions.'
The premise of the 'testable
model' approach is that as
scientific research progresses, certain propositions
will be proven true and certain
propositions will be proven false.
Evidences from all fields of science are expected to
eventually favor one view of origins over all others.
While secular science is
convinced that biological
evolution alone explains our
origins, Reasons to Believe is
holding out hope that Old-Earth
Creationism will eventually be
proven scientifically valid.
But if
you're not a 'science
professional,' you may want to
take a look at our more basic
OVERVIEW
and
ORIGIN
VIEWS COMPARISON CHART
before proceeding to the more
advanced Reasons to Believe
Predictions Chart
(PDF).
Visit
OriginScience.com
for more information on
Young-Earth Creationism (YEC),
Old-Earth Creationism (OEC), Theistic
Evolution (TE), and Naturalistic
Evolution (NE).
And check out our
ORIGIN
VIEWS — CREATION / EVOLUTION —
RESEARCH LINKS
for quick access to hundreds of
authoritative articles, sites,
and online audios and videos
relating to all the issues and
topics involved in the
never-ending quest to fully
understand our universe and
resolve that understanding with
the teaching of God's Word.
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